Kelly Clarkson was just 20 when she made history as the first-ever winner of American Idol in 2002. But now, Kelly has opened up a little more about her time on American Idol, revealing that she didn’t even realize she was on a TV show until her third audition.

Kelly Clarkson, who of course would go on to become the singing competition series' first winner, recalled in a new interview on the Not Gonna Lie With Kylie Kelce podcast that neither she nor the other contestants realized they were auditioning for a TV show — at first.

On March 27, the talk show host appeared as a guest on the “Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce” podcast. During the sit-down, Clarkson reflected on her career, from her start as the first-ever winner of “American Idol” in 2002 until now.